New Things

another reply

Her: Perhaps a re-focus might help then. You've talked a great deal about all the things you dislike about modern-day Christianity, Churchism, Christian mania and how you disagree with how others view God, but you haven't talked much about God/Christ/the Holy Spirit directly. Throughout this thread I would say we are talking a 10:1 ratio at best. If we look at people we are always going to find a ton to rant about because people are all incredibly flawed. Look at God. And if you think you are starting to find flaws with Him, then I would suggest making an appointment with the pastor of this church you and your friends have started attending and begin to work out why that is.

My Response for Later: I get the feeling that you would rather me not be frustrated with people, but the fact is, I am. Not only that, but I feel justified in my frustration, because Paul the Apostle himself often became frustrated with Christians who weren't doing what they were supposed to be doing.

And, in my opinion, modern-day Christians have fallen so far from what Christ actually wanted for us that it's utterly ridiculous.

To be fair, I -do- know many kind, genuine Christians whom I would count among my friends...but I also know many legalistic ones who don't understand that just because my faith doesn't look like theirs, then there is 'obviously' something wrong with it.

Just today, God has proven not just to me, but to other people as well that I'm on the right path. He spoke to another person who is going through something similar that I am spiritually. That person...as well as a couple of others....have agreed with me that sometimes one has to step back from the Churchism of it all and just be with God without the distractions of other people's thoughts and opinions. And, like it or not, the Church is -extremely- opinionated about -everyone's- faith.

Thus, God has shown me that I'm on the right path. He has also shown me that not everyone is on the same path as me, or, at least, not on the same place on that path. He has shown me that some people -need- to go to church every Sunday. Some folks need that structure. I used to be one of them.

And now I'm not. I can commune with God, and it doesn't have to be at a specific [and ungodly] hour on Sunday morning. It doesn't have to be in a group of virtual strangers who may or may not accept me just as I am. It doesn't have to be trying to kill myself for the sake of tradition, and call it 'giving my all to God.'

Like I said, I've already given it all to Him. But, it doesn't look like what folks like yourself want it to look like, so you deem it as somehow unacceptable to God...which it's not. If Christ has set us free, and we are free indeed....then why do we still insist that if we miss a church service, or if we don't take communion, or service isn't exactly just so, or we aren't beating ourselves up emotionally for not being perfect...that we are somehow sinning and thus fall short of God's love?

God is bigger than that. He doesn't care whether or not you are completely unselfish. No human can be completely unselfish. It's just not possible. But, we insist on berating ourselves for that...and I don't believe that pleases Christ.

God has already accepted us. He already loves us. We don't have to earn it. But, all the things you are telling me are based on a "If I don't do X, then God won't love me/let me into Heaven!" scenario. I think it's only when we truly accept our imperfections...in heart and not just in mind...and accept that God loves us in spite of that, that we begin to understand Him.

You have to understand something else as well. I don't hate modern-day Christians. I'm mad with frustration over them...but I don't hate them. I actually love and care about many of them, and I see the potential for a lot of good! But, at the rate we're going these days...I just feel that we make more of a mockery of Christ than we do anything else. No wonder the world looks at us the way they do! And, I'm sorry, but...unlike you, I can't just sit back and accept that. Christ is being made to look like a fool, and it's all our fault. Doesn't that bother you at all?

~Lady Tam~

honestly.

REPLY TO LADY ABOUT SERVING CHRIST 24/7:

In addition to what Richard said, I want to say that it's not God I ever had a problem with, but rather the people who gave me contradictory info about Him.

The truth is, I used to be all about the Christian lifestyle that you're describing. I believed in it with all my heart. I had a wonderful church and all that, and believed everything that you're talking about here. But then, a lot of really bad things hit me all at once, and I realized that most of the time, those Christians who say the same things you are saying haven't had to deal with seriously bad things.

It's very easy to praise God and push others to do exactly as you do when everything is going fine...but what if God decides to make your life a literal, living Hell? What if He gives you over to Satan to be tested and tried in ways you never thought possible?

What if He forces you to face all your worst fears actualized?

It's absolutely ridiculous...in my opinion...to expect what you are advertizing from the average human being.

As for burn-out...no, it wasn't because I was being sinfully selfish. It wasn't because my focus was needlessly on myself.

TAKE TWO:

About the Sunday thing: Most of the time, if I miss church, it's because I simply don't want to go. And even when I'm there, I don't sing. I like the lessons, I like the social interaction, and I'm beginning to gain trust in the Church again after my crisis of faith in the Church...but there was a time there where I felt that virtually no Christian was honest, and that all of them were just a bunch of hypocrites who had [unintentionally] lied to me. They had said all that about persevering and what-not...but most of the ones saying that hadn't been through anything near as bad as what I've had to deal with in my life. Most of them grew up in stable, Christian homes. I didn't. Most of them were comfortable fitting in to the 'normal' way of doing things. I wasn't. In fact, I'm still not. And even after a ton of therapy, I probably won't ever be.

If going to church every Sunday works for you, then that's fine. But I guess I have a problem with folks who assume that I'm being needlessly selfish if I don't officially worship God in some way on Sunday. God, more than anyone else, has been the one constant through everything I've dealt with. He hasn't pushed me to be any more or less than exactly what I am....but [and no offense to you personally] Churchites have.

As for the Sang's and the vamps, like I said in my other post, they are two different things. And also like I said in that post, there have been plenty of 'normal' foods made with blood, so I don't understand what the big deal is. They don't have to drink human blood.

As for those who choose to live as if they are vampires, 99% of the time...like I also said in my post...they know that they are not -actually- vampires. If they do, then they have way more problems than just the vamp thing.

Does it glorify Christ? Heck if I know. I honestly don't think He cares all that much whether the person decides to don a costume and do a little role-play. I also don't think that He commanded for every single little itty bitty thing we do to 'glorify Him'. As far as I'm aware, that wasn't the point of His Ministry. And, it's that trying to make everything glorify Him...and the subsequent beating ourselves up when we can't....that I think He was hoping for us to avoid.

You say you aren't perfect, but then you make light of it. I think that until we can fully embrace our imperfections as human beings...and be okay with them [which I don't believe most Christians are]...then we will feel unbelievably incomplete, even when we're trying to serve God.

Me personally, now that I'm not addicted to Churchosity, as I like to call it, I feel much closer to God, and feel I have a better understanding of Him and what He wants...and what He does not want. I think He would rather have me be an honest doubter than someone who just plugs ahead, trying to conform to some box other people...like what you are talking about here...have made for me. I think He's more pleased if I tell Him, "I'm really confused, and I don't trust anyone at church, so I'm not gonna go" than He would be if I pretended like everything was okay when it's not.

I also believe that no one day is more or less holy than another. I don't believe I need to try and have a daily bible study every day in order to keep up with Him. All I really need...I've discovered...is to simply talk to Him.

And that is my very very long explanation of what I think about what you've said here.

~Lady Tam~

Answer to Lameness.

Answer to guy who thinks it's lame to be a Sang:

"I will agree that some use the vampire thing as a cry for attention. But, let's say that no one, except the person themselves, knows about it. Let's say that they only indulge in this sort of thing when they are alone, and only drink animal blood or blood substitute.

Is it still a cry for attention if they do it without wanting anyone to know about it?

That's how I understood your post. Forgive me if I was wrong in my understanding, but I really don't feel being rude and vindictive is really the best way to get your point across. I mean, if you're a Christian [and, I assume that you are], shouldn't you be looking at this from the perspective of loving others as you love yourself?

Nothing you've said here sounds very loving at all. How do you justify that? [If you aren't a Christian, then of course the question doesn't apply..]"

~Lady Tam~

Terror of Plans

I think one reason why I'm having such a hard time deciding what to do with the rest of my life. I'm scared to pursue anything because I'm terrified of failure. I'm terrified of getting all excited about something, and then it completely falling apart like my last endeavor.

This goes for anything: Writer, fashion designer, whatever. What's the point if I'm just going to end up failing at it?

I want to do some great things. I want to make things better. But I don't want to have to make any more huge mistakes in order to get there. I want to be able just to do and it be perfect, and I can't get out of this mentality.

It's horrible, thinking like this, because I know how very unrealistic it is.

Will I ever be truly free of these kinds of feelings? Ever?

What's wrong with me? Why can't I focus on just one task, and continue in that task until all is said and done? Why do I feel so incomplete?

It's very very frustrating, this feeling that I'm missing something. What am I missing? True romantic love? Sanity? The right career? I just don't know any more.

Breast reduction? Make-up? Hormone and/or psychological therapy? What?

Or am I just being overly obsessive because I'm bored..?

Who knows..

~C. L.~

Teaching English Links.

Soyouwanna.com.

~C. L.~

To Re-enter or Not To Re-enter.

While walking to work today, I had a conversation with my old college minister in my head. In the conversation, I told him everything I was so frustrated with when it came to the church, and why I would most likely never want to get deeply invovled with any church ever again...but also why I had no intention of giving up God.

It was a weird conversation, but I felt better after having it.

Basically, it boils down to I still know God exists, I still believes He wants to help me...but I don't feel guilty for using curse words or masterbating or watching 'impure' movies or listening to 'impure' music or making crude jokes now and then or any of that.

What's more, I've no desire to stop these habits.

But I still want to...I dunno...do...something.

I've missed China a lot lately. Maybe this is a contribution towards that. Maybe I should work towards visiting China again, just for a week or so...just to get it out of my system, at least.

I feel...I dunno...really discouraged about life and stuff. I'm starting to feel a weird, settled kind of panic that things are always going to be like this, and I -hate- that feeling.

I dunno; maybe I just need a nap..

~C. L.~

Music Links

Type O Negative site.

Type O Negative lyrics.

Video Interviews with music artists.

Gothic.net. [Much better than Goth.com]

~C. L.~

Goth Quiz

What subcategory of Goth best fits you?
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You scored as Romantic Goth

You are a romantic goth, better known as a traditional goth. You are probably quickly identified as a goth by outsiders. Black lace, bats, and moonlit cemetaries are just a few of your favorite things. Click on my name to take my other tests if you liked this one.

Romantic Goth

88%

Old-school Goth

83%

Ethereal Goth

79%

Anything-Goes Goth

71%

Understanding Outsider

67%

Perky Goff

58%

Fantasy Goth

54%

Death Rocker

42%

Industrial/Rivet-Head

29%

Cyber-goth

21%

Confused Outsider

17%

~C. L.~

Even More Goth Links.

Dark Links.

Big Girl Corsets.
~C. L.~

Goth Research Commentary 1

I think I'm going to continue calling myself "Goth" or even "Goth-inspired", if for no other reason than to drive some people ballistic.

As far as I can tell, those who call themselves 'hard-core Goth' have little-to-no tolerance for those who are just new to the whole Goth thing, and who perhaps know little-to-nothing about the subculture.

In much the same way as I drive super-conservative...or super-liberal...Christians up the friggin' wall, so I want to do this with 'super-Goths'.

Oh, you know the type. Or, if you don't, you -will- recognize them: They listen to -only- 'Goth' music...and veheminently reject -anything- 'mainstream' because...well...it's mainstream.

No other reason. Just the fact that the band is known by people other than the underground is enough to ostricize these bands. Evanescence would be a classic example.

Other than this, this person looks awesome in their get-up, but would rather be buried in a coffin alive deep underground than to dare step foot in a mall, much less a Hot Topic.

Ridiculous, isn't it?

First of all..Hot Topic never said...not ever..."Hey guys!! We're all about the Goth stuff!!" It's called Hot TOPIC, thus they are going to sell stuff that is hot and that has to do with a lot of popular topics.

This is why they sell bands like Linkin Park, Marylin Mansen, and all the rest.

They really don't care about whatever weird 'underground' ideas some folks have for their stuff; they just want to make money.

And boy, do they make a lot of it!

But, apparently, being a good business and knowing how to make a lot of money is Evil and Wrong in the site of a lot of these 'super-Goths'.

Me? I'm more for Voltaire's POV, which I tend to take a lot more seriously since he's been on the scene since the beginning.

Hot Topic has been great to introduce this stuff to other people so that they can more easily understand what's going on...which, in this day and age, is a good thing! Ever since Columbine, people have looked askance at the Gothic subculture for more reasons than just because we're dressed weird; they've been seriously worried that such folks might actually pull out a gun and shoot them.

Is this ignorant and silly? Of course it is. But hiding in the dark and never explaining anything isn't going to make Gothism more 'mysterious'...it's just going to get folks in more trouble than is necessary.

Also, since when is it wrong to try and get people to understand one's stance in the world? That I really don't get; isn't it just as prejudice to say "Oh, you're a Mundane! I don't like you and your conformity."

Ooooh, but look to thine own self, little Goth! Do you not strive to conform to the Goth lifestyle? Do you not dress the way you do in order to 'fit in' to your subculture better?

I would wager to guess that you do.

And, you know what else? There's no shame in that! It's a perfectly normal, natural human thing to seek out those like unto ourselves and try to fit in as well as we can. A human who is truly a non-conformist is the most miserable, lonely, cold, unhappy individual on the planet.

I. E., you need friends. You need folks who understand you. You even need family eventually.

It's just the way we humans are wired.

And who's to say that that 'Mundane' sitting down the table from you at lunch isn't exactly the kind of person you need in your life?

From all the sites I've seen, Gothism should be about not conforming to stupid ideas, and about accepting people no matter what...and yet, much like in Christianity [HA!! Irony!], there are Goths who look at 'Mundanes' in the same way that some Christians look at 'sinners'..

I. E., as people who are not worthy of their attention or respect.

Friends, this things should not be! First, one should value a healthy mind, body, and soul above all things...even above conforming to one group or another. Second, one should not be prejudiced against another just because they don't like the same things you do. This is both a stupid and a useless attitude.

Third, it's fun to pretend to be dark and brooding sometimes...but there's a -big- difference between understanding the sadness and beauty in Death, and being suicidal and/or clinically depressed.

They are not the same thing, and if you are suicidal or clinically depressed, get thyself to a therapist/psychologist/rehab program/support group/etc.!!!

Suicide is an awful thing to do to those who love you. And, if you have any family at all...and they even remotely touch on sane...they -will- deeply grieve losing you in such a way.

If you are clinically depressed, then you can't live life. At all. Someone who is clinically depressed doesn't have the energy to get gussied up in fishnets, fancy dress, and a lot of cool-looking make-up, and go down to the local club and get their groove on. They just...don't.

Do you know what Depression makes you do? It makes you stare at a wall. It makes you cry in public when you don't want to. It makes you throw things and scare those you care about. It makes you want to completely check out of life, society, and all the rest of everything.

It's not the fun kind of Hell that Goths love to write bad poetry about. It's the really really bad kind of Hell that could possibly leave you without anything emotionally, which is why it's important to see a therapist if you're going through this kind of thing.

For me, the Goth thing...even without the music...really helped me work through losing my mom.

I didn't know or care about the musical part of it; I just needed some way to grieve that wouldn't make me look like a complete fool.

Goth seemed exactly the right thing for me. Not only that, but it also taught me how to dress...which I was really glad for, because I had zero fashion sense before then.

Even though it gets on my nerves terribly, I'm going to try and not care about what 'super-Goths' think of me, since I find -any- form of prejudice or judgment on someone simply by the way they look a horrible horrible thing.

Just relax, Mr. Super-Goth, or I shall lock you in a observation room with Mr. Conservative Christian...which would be a really fun thing for me to watch. >=D

~C. L.~

aunt flo.

I think she's up to her monthy shenanigens..

Guess I'll find out this weekend.

~C. L.~

Goth Links from Gaia.

*sigh*

Perhaps it was once great, or perhaps if I was of a younger mentality it would be fabulous...but meh.

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Description by 'harajuku' found in this forum.

Punk - angry, political, hates the establishment and mainstream culture. The Punk subculture was largely formed by those disenchanted with the hippy movement in the mid 70's. Punk is anti-consumerism (thus ripped clothing and and safety pins for earrings) and individualistic. Punk died somewhere in the mid to late 80s and has been replaced by Nu-Punk - an appropriation of punk symbolism into a mainstream fashion. Bands such as "The Sex Pistols", "The Damned" and "The Misfits" are considered Punk, "Blink 182" and "Green Day" are the commerical parody known as Nu-Punk. This commercial parody can often be identified by displaying lage levels of consumerism (black suits and short, socially acceptable acceptable haircuts) antithetical to the Punk ideology.

Goth - apathetic, depressed, wear a lot of black and reject (or have been rejected by) mainstream culture. The Goth subculture was formed in the late 70s from a splinter group of the Punk movement known as the Nihilists who believed that it was pointless to rebel either peacefully or violently against the establishment. A study in Durkheimian "anomie", Gothic subculture embraces taboo subjects such as death, suicide and depression and uses them as iconography. A percentage of Ravers are ex-goths who got tired of the negative aspect of Gothic subculture. Unlike Punk, Gothic music has maintained its values as it progressed from New Romantic (The Cure, Souxsie and the Banshees) to Industrial (NIN and Marylin Manson) and EBM (VNV Nation and Apoptygma Berserk).

Emo - rather than originating from a particular subculture movement, emo is a mainstream amalgum of power metal, nu-punk and mid 90s alternative best displayed by bands such as "A Perfect Circle" and "AFI". Emo kids tend to dress in a socially accepted manner that is considered 'fashionable' as opposed to 'questionable' by mainstream society. Emo appropriates the iconography of Punk, Goth and Metal without venturing into any of the philisophical questions attached to these icons. As such, emo kids are often considered at best to be shallow, mainstream wannabees, following a commericalised, socially acceptable fashion.

~Tam Li~

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This will be an on-going entry in my endeavor to research this whole thing. [Hey, -everyone- needs a hobby, right?]

[Format: "Song", Album, Artist ]

"Dissolve", Serpentine Gallery, Switchblade Symphony

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A comprehensive description by Shadowolf:

"Not universal, but common:
- lead bass riffs
- atmospheric, simple guitars (in subtly distorted chords, or drenched in chorus/reverb)
- atmospheric keyboards
- tribal-like drumming
- crooning, deep vocals for male; wailing vocals for female
- lyrics usually touch on existentialism, nihilism, horror, deranged insanity, and/or dark romance"

This is -far- more helpful to me than people arguing over what bands are goth or punk or industrial or whatever, or folks insulting each other like children with "U R Not RLY a Goth B-cuz U SUX!!1"

Augh...

~Tam Li~

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I'm going to try to be nice. ^^;;;

First, I want to say that I've been 'Goth' since before I knew what Goths were.

And no, it has nothing to do with the music.

I know a lot of people would fight me on this...just as the conservative Christians would fight me on the fact that I do, indeed, have a relationship with Christ despite the fact that I don't like church very much...but I digress.

When I first read this article over a year ago, I realized I'd finally found a one-word description for everything I'm interested in to the deepest way I feel. And, it was terribly freeing.

But now, I hear that one can't be a 'true Goth' if one doesn't like the music...or, what's worse, if someone does like particular bands like Linkin Park and Evanescence.

This...really saddens and upsets me...and also appears to me to completely defeat the whole point of Gothism in the first place, which is to accept people as-is, and not stereotype.

Why is it so important to me, you may ask?

That's a good question, one I've been asking myself a lot lately too. Am I fighting an up-hill battle here, or do I have a good point?

I would like to make the case that I do, indeed, have a good point. Gothism...whether the elitists like it or not...has moved past -just- being about the music. Yes, that's how it began...but it's become a lot more than that too. It's extended into art, into literature, into fashion, and even into complete lifestyles. You can't simply say someone is or is not a Goth because they are or aren't into the music any more.

You just...can't.

Or..well...you can, but it completely defeats the point. So I don't like the Bauhaus. So friggin' what? So I have Linkin Park on my MP3 player because their songs meant something to me long before I even knew anything about Goth music. So fesking what? Why the hell does it matter so much to some people?

But, let's put the music thing aside for the moment. Are there other ways in which a person can be Goth?

According to that article, I'd say most definitely YES!!

And, people are just going to have to accept that.

Welcome to the real world, my friends..

~Tam Li Hua~

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Goth Music Thread.

Well...-this- should clear up a few things...

Other Goth Links, Music and Non.

Dark Grave.

~Tam Li Hua~

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~C. L.~

Rivithead Shoes

Rivithead.

:)

~C. L.~

GAH!!! x_____________________X;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

GAH!! I don't know what's wrong with me!! All of a sudden, it's terribly important for me to figure out whether or not I would be 'acceptible' in Gothic society or not, despite my naivete of the music genre!!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

*relaxes*

*takes a deep breath, lets it out slowly*

Ok. Calm down, Liz; this isn't some end-of-the-world thing. It's okay to still be Goth, because, really...who's going to tell you 'No, I'm sorry; you can't be a part of our sub-culture'. If they do, then they're jerks and elitists who aren't cool.

Ok ok ok. Calming down.

Now.

What am I?

I am someone who has a relationship with God, though it's a bit strange right now. I am someone that -does- like things such as Tim Burton movies and dark but beautiful things.

I am -not- an angsty teenager, but I -am- an angsty, traumatized adult.

I am desperate to find out what or who I am!!

*cry sob wail*

I've -really- got to find something better to do with my time..

LINKS:

What is a Christian Goth?

Definitionof Goth and the Proper Christian Response.

*passes out..*

~C. L.~

Edward Cullen vs. Lestat de Lioncourt.

The Vampire Chronicles vs. Twilight

You -know- you saw this one coming, if you've been keeping up with what I read and review.

Ok, so Twilight by Stephanie Meyer is a good book. I'm a little over half-way through, and have found it a good, easy read. Personally, I'd say it's about 90% teen love story, and 10% vampire novel.

But I simply can't help but think of Lestat on occasion, especially when Bella says things like "I doubted there were any etiqette books detailing how to dress when your vampire sweetheart takes you home to meet his vampire family."

Oh, really? For someone so supposedly well-read, it seems that Ms. Bella has never heard of Anne Rice!

But, I'm willing to suspend belief and say that, for instance, Anne Rice simply doesn't exist in the Bella/Edward universe. [Hard for me to do, but I'm willing to do it.]

It's also hard to not think about Lestat and his...how does one say...brazen disregard for rules and his complete inability to 'own' or 'contain' any emotion he happens to feel at the moment. At all.

Which is odd, because Lestat's at least 200 years older than Edward.

Anyways, this is getting waaaaaaaaaaaay off-track. Point is, I don't think that Lestat de Lioncourt and Edward Cullen would be going on any field trips together, even if they -did- exist in the same universe.

But it's still wonderfully fun to think about.

Let's see...let's say it's your standard multi-passenger van, the kind used for church retreats. And, let's say that the folks included on this trip are Edward, Lestat, Bella, Armand, and Louis, just for a beginning. [We'll assume that all other characters...the rest of the Cullens and other various VC characters...will be visited/met up with later.]

First, I can imagine Lestat's reaction to...well...just about anything and everything about Edward. Ed's sort of like Marius, in a way; he's attempting to be very good and very controlled, and to not let his vampire nature get the better of him. And, at the same time, he's still unable to completely resist some things.

And then there's Lestat.

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What? Oh come on, like Lestat really needs an explanation. Pfft. He's Lestat.

Anyways, I can imagine his reaction to something Edward would say such as, "I didn't really like music in the '60's or '70s, and don't get me started on '80s music."

I can imagine the overly-dramatic wailing on Lestat's part, the endless chatter about his rise to stardom as a rock star, and so on and so forth.

I'm pretty sure that Edward would think Lestat is insane, not to mention a complete danger to not just himself, but anyone who comes in contact with him, and would probably not be able to grasp how Lestat can pretty much do whatever he wants whenever he feels like it, simply because he wants to do it. He doesn't think endlessly about it [like Louis] before he does something.

Ok.

And now, I picture Bella and Louis having a lively chat, since Louis is 'more human' than Lestat, though all the time she'd be making evil eyes at Lestat for stealing the front seat. [Why I picture Edward driving is anyone's guess.] I think that Louis and Bella would like each other very much in a friendly sort of way...that is, if Armand wasn't being his creepy self and making vague references to Bella about being Edward's dinner, or going of on some spiel about him and Marius..

I dunno; I've grown rusty with this sort of thing, but my mind just can't resist such an idea.

I'm pretty sure Gabrielle wouldn't like Bella, and probably look at her like she was a bug on her shoe. I don't think Armand would really care.

I think Louis would be grateful to be able to talk to a human about this stuff, but also be terribly worried that she'd be turned into one of their own at any second.

I think Lestat would be jumping all over the car, fascinated first with this person, then the other one, then the next one...you get the picture.

Meanwhile, I think Bella would be doing all she could to steal the front seat back while Lestat was distracted.

Yeah..this isn't going anywhere, but I thought it something fun to think about.

Carry on as you were...

[And yes, my mind really -does- work like this. It just can't resist a non-slashy cross-over idea. Seriously, this is the entire reason a whole second section of my fictional realm was made, in order to do this sort of thing.

I love fiction. <3 <3 <3 _{As long as it doesn't come to life and try to bite me in the proverbial ass. Stupid coincidences..}]

~C. L.~

Another Webcomic

xkdc webcomic. :3

~C. L.~

Music to Acquire

Rasputina [Any Album]

Bjork [Any Album]

Massive Attack [Mezzanine ablum, Teardrop song]

Garbage [?]

Poe [Any album..?]

The Blow [Paper Television, True Affection song]

Collide [Some Kind of Strange album]

Christian Goth Links.

St. Edward.

Random Viewpoint.

Many Linkies.

Rick Ross explanation.

Death To The World.

Tarot Card Meme

You are The Devil

Materiality. Material Force. Material temptation; sometimes obsession

The Devil is often a great card for business success; hard work and ambition.

Perhaps the most misunderstood of all the major arcana, the Devil is not really "Satan" at all, but Pan the half-goat nature god and/or Dionysius. These are gods of pleasure and abandon, of wild behavior and unbridled desires. This is a card about ambitions; it is also synonymous with temptation and addiction. On the flip side, however, the card can be a warning to someone who is too restrained, someone who never allows themselves to get passionate or messy or wild - or ambitious. This, too, is a form of enslavement. As a person, the Devil can stand for a man of money or erotic power, aggressive, controlling, or just persuasive. This is not to say a bad man, but certainly a powerful man who is hard to resist. The important thing is to remember that any chain is freely worn. In most cases, you are enslaved only because you allow it.

What Tarot Card are You?
Take the Test to Find Out.

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~C. L.~

Christian Goth Conference in Baltimore, MD.

Christian Goth Conference.

Damn it. -This- is why I need extra money in my account, because it's -these- kinds of things I need to be attending!!

Damn damn damn damn DAMN!!! ;_;

*sigh.....*

~C. L.~

answer to bug girl

Not sure if this will go through, but it's worth a shot. ^^

First of all, when God says "Do not murder", He was speaking to humans about humans. He was not speaking of animals. Second, if you've studied OT law, you will see that God Himself, from the very beginning, requested animals for sacrifice. Third, if you study both the OT and the NT in regards to what God approves to us eating and not eating...meat is -definitely- on the menu.

As I've said before, I agree with you that we should not be unduly cruel to animals, or to anyone for that matter. Perhaps you see all killing as cruel and unnecessary, but when it comes to animals for food, etc., the Bible simply doesn't say that.

Of course, I could be mistaken, so if you would be willing to cite some Scripture that proves God abhors us killing animals for food, then I will listen. This, however, must be very clear, and different from a praise of nature; Like I've said before, I -love- Nature. But, it's not tame. As one of my favorite fictional characters says, it's the Savage Garden.

In fact, if you watch the National Geographic channel...or heck, just watch a spiderweb for a day...you will see that animals also hunt and kill. But, if you count that all killing of all living creatures is immoral and a sin, does that mean that the spider sins when he wraps the fly up and sucks out its fluids?

I'm not trying to be cruel or anything here, but rather just trying to get you to see the logic in this.

In addition, I would like to say that the idea of pups...or any small, defenseless creatures like that...being so cruelly disposed of is horrible. First, it's horrible that no one can love them, then it is horrible that they will have a long time to suffer before they pass on. And, while I certainly would rather see such pups become valued pets...I would rather them be killed as quickly as possible than have them suffer for a long time and -then- die. Sometimes...Death -is- a kindness. I know it's hard to see it that way, but it -is- true...for humans as well as animals. But that's another topic for another time.

Point is, as several folks have pointed out, that your idea of 'cruel and unnecessary' is obviously very different from other people's. I'm glad you have such a tender spirit...but remember to extend that spirit to your human brothers and sisters first, and forgive us for either not completely understanding you, or simply not agreeing with you.

Also, if you wish to judge the Salvation and God-relationship of others, I would suggest studying a LOT of Scripture, because that is -still- a very very dangerous thing to do, because no one can know another's heart except for God Himself...and you may just find some of these folks in Heaven right beside you, despite their...our...disagreement with you on some issues...

I hope you find peace about this issue, and will talk to Him on your behalf. :) [BTW...and feel free to not answer this...but how old are you?]

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Tiger Direct.

How to build a gaming computer.

Used Macbook Link.

Powerbook Guy.

Apple Store at The Summit in B'ham. *Note: Has beginner workshops.

Macenstein.